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WS III Game 9 Results

Toughest Guy in Town Gets Ten.

The Most becomes only the second player to join the 10 win club. You have to believe Richie is starting to feel the pressure.

Final Table
1. The Most - $280
2. TitAlating - $120
3. Wou - $80
4. Richie - $40
5. Bookie
6. C-Mint
7. Drop It
8. Shock G

The Rest
9. Pibb
10. First Lady
11. Drudus
12. High Noon
13. Cooler
14. Slim
15. King
16. II-Pod
17. Alek?
18. Pick
19. Jun
20. Dogs
21. Factor
22. Will Shake
23. Will Call
24. Machine
25. Fist
26. Storm

Comments

[Storm]

Congrats on 10 you tough ass son of a bitch!!!

[Pibb]

10? Wow. Glad my chips could be a part of such an auspicous occasion. Congrats!

[Pick]

Big win Red. Good job.

[Clayton]

Congrats Most...wish I could have been there to see it...
And Al...looks like you had some good shit yourself this week...
Next time...

[Al]

I suck. Badly. Not sure how I could get ALL of it in with top pair and a dogshit kicker. But I did and I have to live with it. Nice win, Lou. I'm still drunk.

[the cooler]

Way to go Eliot(or is 2 l's?). I sure hope you write another recap for this one. Would definitely like to read how the night went from your point of view.

[the cooler]

Oh and Susan, apparently I am not the only one that is out of my mind and doesn't know what I am talking about, it seems Daniel Negreanu is also crazy... check it

[jamie]

sounds like i missed something eventful at table 1...details?

[Richie Rich]

Well done, El Bear. It looked like you were able to battle back from a big hit on your chipstack. You're the man.

[Shock G]

Very nice.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.....I'm going to go throw up now.
-G-

[Slim]

The Most has won 6 times this year already. The record for most wins in a year is 7 held by Richie of course.

18 games remain in this current year.

[Most]

Thanks guys. A satisfying vic, to be sure. Donked early, sucked out late. We all have stories. Lou, it was real. I obviously didn't want to play poker with you, so I flopped myself two pair. Cheers to Tit-AL-lating and Dr. Drop It As If It Were Hot for the late night shenanigans at The Daily Pint. Also thank you to Jen and Jeff for putting up with the smokers and letting us hang out and such. Each and every week, it is taken for granted and we all love you for it. Susan, you motivate me more than you could possibly know. Shock, thanks for the beers. To the Santa Monica Police Dept., thanks for not pulling me over. To the guy who let me into my building last night, thank you for letting me into the building. Who knows where you were going at 2 AM; you sure had a scary look on your face. I almost tipped you a $20, for real.

[Richie Rich]

Also, much deserved props to Al. It's no surprise you do so well in your tournament endeavors. Barring a cosmic catastophe or a 4SPT-BCS calculation error, congrats on one heck of a season.

[II-Pod]

Hey Cooler, interesting article, I wasn't aware of the degree to which it is looked upon...in a tournament. But note, that rule applies to tournament play, where Negraneau's example simplifies the rule's necessity. Susan refered to us frequently checking down in CASH games. It makes no difference there!

[The Canadian Mint]

II Pod, the thing is Negreanu's logic applies to cash games as well. Checking down to friends preserves their chip stack, giving them a stronger advantage over the non-friends at the table in upcoming hands. Or more simply, if you treat someone at the table favorably, then they have more favorable results and thus have an advantage. It's collusion, just a mild case of it.

[Slim]

The point here is Susan is correct in saying that no one cares and it won't be called in most games. However, what Cooler is saying is also correct and that "technically" soft playing is collusion, which is not allowed even in cash games.

If someone at your table cared enough to call the floor person over I'm sure they would warn you first and then seperate you if it continued.

Each player has the responsibility to play in their own self interest. Meaning you shouldn't play differently against one person as would another, even if she is your wife.

Here's a cash game example of how you could easily turn "checking it down with my wife" into an unfair situation for the rest of the table. I enter a pot with you two and you bet, Suze calls, and I fold. You then decide to check it down. This type of play should not be allowed. Now every time either one of you bets/raises I have to be worried about the other calling or raising behind to get me out of the pot. Because we all know you aren't trying to raise your wife out of the hand.

Another example, you can't pass Suze chips on the table so instead you play her in a pot heads up and she goes all-in. You call and muck so that she can take down the pot thus "passing" her chips.

Small infractions but collusion all the same and yes they are accepted.

Oh and checking it down with another player when someone is all-in is also collusion but you won't have that called against you either.

[Shock G]

By the way, just in case the rest of you doubted us for a week....

3 Degenerates at the Final Table, including both 1st (kind of) and 2nd place.

We haven't gone anywhere, people.

Now excuse me while I return to the bathroom to upchuck the rest of lunch after again forcing myself to accept Eliot's 10th win.
-G-

[Slim]

Reasons to love the Degenerates:
1. Yesterday they openly mocked WSD's Storm choosing WSD's the Most as the T.G.T, calling it an "embarrassment" and "funny".
2. Today it's the Degenerates are back we had the winner!
3. They always let us know that they represented 1/3 of the Final Table!
4. They represent 1/3 of the entire field every week.

[FirstLady]

It's worth stating that Susan actually said that in most instances at the casino she and Chad don't actually check it down because they make enough money on their own that they don't need to work together to make more money.

After playing with Suz and Chad as long as we have and witnessing them in hands together - I think we can all agree that they don't collude. Susan is always playing for the win and if Chad happens to have the nuts (which he usually does) she will cuss him out and remind him where the couch is when he's ready to go to bed.

[Richie Rich]

What I love about the WSDs that like to "build themselves up" (scroll down near the bottom of the comments) with all this hoopla about final tables and such is that the much smaller TBC crew set the record for 7 collective wins in a single season and own 5 of the last 6 season titles. Titillated, anyone?

[the cooler]

I NEVER said that Susan or Chad are cheaters or collude or anything to that effect. All I said is that checking it down with a friend is considered cheating and illegal. Where shortly there after I was told I was crazy and don't have a clue as to what I was talking about. I was not accusing anyone of cheating, I was saying it more as an observation because I had actually just learned that it was infact against the rules just a few days ago. I myself am guilty of checking it down with a friend at a casino. My comment had nothing to do with Susan and/or Chad at all, it just so happens she was talking about playing at the same table as Chad, so I mentioned the new fact I learned.

[II-Pod]

Interesting example, Slim. I was trying to come up with one to suggest it might be unfair in cash games, but I really couldn't. I am not sure I see how that your example is collusion, though. If I am betting to bet you out of the pot, I will do that regardless of whether Suze is in the pot or not. As long as there is a third person, I am worried about Suze's hand as well, and the fact that she may raise me. It is only after the third player folds do we feel okay to back off of each other. If you fold, it then has no impact on you if we go all-in or check it down from that point on. It may be annoying to you, because the subsequent "free" cards that we each get may have made your hand. But it doesn't affect it any more than if it were only you and I in the pot and I bet you out (then you never get to see the cards that may have made your hand).

In fact, I am fairly certain that if you and the only other person in a pot clearly, verbally say to the dealer that you both want to check it down, the dealer will run the cards without giving either the option to make a bet. If someone tries to bet, the dealer will not accept it and the floorperson would back them on it.

If anything, I tend think of it as a bit of a disadvantage to us. If Suze is at the table, then there is one less person I can attack if I get a good hand. If I have pocket aces, I only have a pool of seven players, of which I want one or more callers. If Suze WASN'T there, I would have eight. If Suze is my only caller, then I will effectively waste my aces (then I'm sad). If a player in that seat who wasn't my wife calls, I can hopefully draw some chips out of them (then I'm happy).

I do like your chip-passing idea though! I am going to talk Susan into doing that for me sometime.

And Cooler, I don't think you're crazy...at least not for this, anyway.

[Shock G]

WESTSIDE DEGENERATES 2006-2007:

Winter Season - 5 of 9 belts owned
Winter Season - 3 of the top 4 players as of now, and 4 of the top 6
Fall Season - Finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th
Overall Points - Currently 1st, 2nd, 4th and 6th
Beers Per Game - Uncontested

= Utter Domination

And that's with us carrying all of Max's dead weight too!

The TBC better step that shit up. (Nobody likes you French people anyway.)
-G-

[Slim]

I'm still trying to figure out how G's stats are more impressive than Richie's?

[Richie Rich]

1. Winter Season - 5 of 9 belts owned
2. Winter Season - 3 of the top 4 players as of now, and 4 of the top 6
3. Fall Season - Finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th
4. Overall Points - Currently 1st, 2nd, 4th and 6th

That's all you've got?

1. 5 < 7 (no, I don't expect WSDs to win 2 of the remaining 3 games)
2. Congrats, your FIRST season win (since Al's basically locked it up). We have 5 of the last 6. Yes, that's 5 times as many.
3. So you were the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd losers last fall to a TBC member. You're really bragging about that?
4. It's not even close to over yet. "Objects in mirror are closer than they appear."

It's cute, really, that you think you're the crew to be reckoned with. Most of your WSD propaganda we just laugh at and put off as adolescent ignorance. But at some point, boundries need to be set and children need to be reminded of where they rank in the food chain.

Step up, child? We're the ones that set the bar. Kiddie game's down the street... down the street...