« SuS III Game 7 Info | Main | Jason - Player Profile »

Comments

Richie Rich

Nice work, guys! Everything went to plan so Jason would let us play there again.

I kid! I kid! Nice work, Jason. Didn't get to see you play much, but you looked pretty solid. Drink the punch.

will

Wow, impressive debut, also another strong Marco finish.

First Lady

Rich - you got it all wrong. We all let him win so we'd get huge discounts on high end televisions! ;-)

Congrats Jason! It was a great way to kick off a grand new venue on 4th Street!

MARCO

that is correct, i sacrificed a chance of back-to-back in order for all of us to get a great price on our dream t.v.'s. i took one for the team...

congrats Plasma Pete!!

The Most

Nice win bra- now you can buy the remote control for the MASSIVE t.v.- thanks for letting us use the xbox and the MASSIVE t.v. and everything else. great place, hope to see it again- respect.

Ivan

Nice job! I didn't get to see you play, but with that field, you had to have played well to win... it's not every week that Marco can get lucky. JK. Also, thanks for an awesome venue and letting all of us in. I'm just happy I accomplished my goal of finishing higher than The Cooler.

Alek

Hope everyone enjoyed the venue. Jason - thanks for letting us use it and knocking me out with AA. Hope the wife lets you play more. And next time, folks, no drum kit (or a live drummer). And as a bonus, it was I who stiffed you $20.00.

Jason "Plasma Pete"

I had a great time. Your welcome to use the space whenever you want. I'm looking forward to defending the title next week. If you let me win again next week, I may bump everyone up to 63" plasma tvs. :-)

Ivan

So, if I'm the first one out next week, do I get first choice for the plasmas?

will

If PlasmaPete is bumping us up with a win we're gonna have to make sure we all lose. Now for me, this is no problem but the rest of you better ease up. Remember: There's no I in TV.

Shock G

But there is an I in "TiVo", and that's pretty much the same thing these days. It sounds like you all have shit TVs and that's very sad.

Quality game rook. Picking up QQ when it mattered the most! That's how it's done.

I'm just happy to pick up the most undeserved 4th-place finish of all-time. Runner-runner 3-way chopped pots are the only way to cash in these games people. Remember that for next week. It can only help your games!!

This has been your leader speaking......!!!!
-G-

Ivan

QQ when it mattered the most? Hmmm... I got AK when I was short-stacked, and still went out. I also got AA and only picked up the blinds... then I got Kings full, and made $125 extra! Sometimes, the way you play those queens matters more than picking them up when it's important... that's just what I think, but then again, what do I know? I can't even make it to a final table!

Mostophocles

Being a math teacher, I love numbers. That's why I'm always the most best serious odds thinker at the poker table. So when I saw the hand last week that ultimately allowed Shock-G to place last week, my thoughts inevitably turned to numbers and odds and such.

The hands:
Plasma Pete A J
Susan Q J
Shock-G 7 8

(Marco folded Q 10)

The flop: A K 10
(I'm pretty sure everything was rainbowskeez, so the suits didn't matter.)

At this point, Susan made an excellent play and went all-in in 1st position, knowing that big-stacked Plasma Pete (who had raised substantially pf) surely had an Ace or King or both. Meanwhile, Shock-G was despondent.

The turn: J

The river: Q

What a hand, right? I was glad to have witnessed it. Even more compelling when you consider the circumstances: If I remember correctly, Shock-G had just folded a hand that would have tripled him up, so 78o must have been really appealing. Poor Plasma Pete had the best hand going in, and made a nice, healthy raise pf with his A J. Marco had folded Q 10, so there were only 2 queens left. Finally, Q J is to Susan what 3d5d is to Jun, so of course she quickly calls any raise, and in the night's High Noon Moment sponsored by Smurf Village she flops a big, fat broadway joint. What a shocker.

But the shock had yet to be administered, as Shock-G was a 200-1 shot after the river just to chop the hand. In typical 4SPT high drama fashion, that's exactly what occurred. My question: Is 200-1 the worst odds possible in a NLH hand?

Thanks, and join us next week in : Mostophocles Hits The Books

Richie Rich

Say you've got AA v. QQ on a flop of: A 9 6. The only way for QQ to win is to get runner runner queens for quads. Odds? 999:1 (about 0.10%). Pretty much the same odds for any "runner runner perfect" (runners for a royal, for example). That's about as bad as it gets.

Mosticiously II-Pod

Ahh, it reminds me of ESPN Classic's marathon of the 2005 WSOP over the weekend: Final hand of the tournament...Hachem calls Dannenman's million-dollar pre-flop raise with a 7-3 off only to flop a 4-5-6 and consequently win the $7.5 million prize. A "High Noon" kinda call and flop if ever there was one. Yet I don't recall any "how could you play that?" commentary regarding the 7-3 off. Nor did I notice Dannenman launch his cell phone across the room. There was just a lot of "nice play" comments (along with the "Aussie-Aussie-Aussie, oy-oy-oy!" chanting).

Slim

Getting the money in with 73o on the turn after you flopped the second nut straight is a little different than calling off almost your entire stack preflop 7c6c.

High Noon had to make a call of a substantially large raise preflop by the Most while Hachem merely called $700k preflop when the BB was $300k, basically a min. raise. THEN Hachem flopped the straight and checked it to Dannenman who led out for another $700k to which Hachem rasied another $1m. Dannenman flat called with an OESD. The turn brought an A and Hachem led out for $2m, now that he paired his A and was still open ended, Danneman raised to $5m. It was here that Hachem finally raised it all-in, getting his moeny in knowing that he was ahead.

II-Pod

I thought Danneneman made it a million chiperooskies pre-flop, which is 3.33x if the bb is $300k. What raise would you call with a 7-3 off pre-flop? Even heads-up? I know my answer: none. But then I don't anticipating ever having a shot at $7.5 million.

Slim

Yes calling a $1m preflop could be considered a questionable call. The two points I was trying to make are that their calls relative to their stack sizes were completely different. And that the money got in when he was well ahead and not hopelessly behind.

This argument will never be settled. When Susan wins her plays are always correct.

Most

let's put it to bed: Like I said at TV Authoritaa, Susan made a bad call, but not a horrible one. Three factors prob. led to her decision: 1a) opponent, 1b) opponent's prob. hand (solid Ace, not made), 2) stack: Susan actually had more than Jeff gives her credit for, 3) they were suited.

Finally, The Ends Do Not Justify the Means in Poker. Couldn't come up with a suitable metaphor here, but saying a call was 'good' simply because the hand in question was the eventual winner is absolutist hogwash.

II-Pod

Even if 6-7 suited called only 10% of her stack against the infamous nines, and THEN she doubled up after her flopped flush, phones still would have been thrown. But, yes, it would have been a bit different and I get your point. And I agree that it will never be resolved, that's why I enjoy the discussion. None of it makes any sense to me. It's like debating religion or Donnie Darko.

Slim

or the irony of the Most discussing someone making a bad call to knock someone out of the tournament.

And yes it is nice to foster some discussion here.

jamie

like jun says, you guys all need to learn to suck out more...then you can all be better players. haha.

Most

thanks slim but i dont make bad calls i make bad all ins

Jun

Yes, you do. You make bad calls.

Most

i'll call your girlfriend if that's what you want Jun.

The comments to this entry are closed.

Flickr


  • www.flickr.com
    4th Street Poker Tour's photos tagged with w/spwinner More of 4th Street Poker Tour's photos tagged with w/spwinner
Blog powered by Typepad