SuS III Game 6 Results

 

There was another shocker at Shocktown, actully it's not really shocking anymore, but another first time winner staked their claim for victory. In a season that was Taylor Made for first timers, Marco knocked two people out on the final hand to take home 4SPT win number one.

Thanks to Shock G and Powers for opening up a new venue on the Tour.

Final Table
1. Marco - $325
2. High Noon - $160
3. Jun - $120
4. Will Call - $55
5. The Ark
6. The Most Bad Beats
7. The Kelvin
8. Wou-tang

The Rest
9. Factor
10. Alek
11. Slim
12. Lo-Lo
13. Cooler
14. Dave
15. Bookie
16. King Richard
17. First Lady
18. II-Pod
19. Dr DILIH
20. Richie Rich
21. THE DREAM CRUSHER!
22. Dave B.
23. Cajun Lovely
24. Sir Pick
25. Grimace
26. Steve
27. Brandon
28. Storm
29. Shock G
30. Rainman
31. Fist
32. Bill
33. Tony B.

Comments

[The Cooler]

congrats Marco, you played well and deserved the win

[justin]

hey marco, catch any cards lately?

[Drud Report]

I knew you were going to win, Marco. You were on a roll from hand 1 and never let up. I'm mad I donked off my $6,000 in chips to you, but you played that and other hands well. Luck + good play = Marco's first win. Congrats...

[Slim]

Funny that we've already had two Marco is lucky comments yet I saw him make about 3 plays at the final table that I'm not sure many others on the Tour would make, all at the right times. So while Susan was drawing out with 67 against 99 and Jun was outrunnering full houses to beat made flushes, Marco sat back played a solid end game and ended up the winner.

The lucky part was that his 99 held up against Jun AND Susan in a single hand.

[Drud Report]

I definitely didn't mean to imply that Marco only won on luck. He played well, although for all of us, we sure need those runs of luck to get through to the end. However, he did make nice plays when it counted and beat many of us into submission because of it.

[justin]

i'm just bitter...

[Jun]

Marco played a solid final table from what I saw.

[Shock G]

Love it!! Nice job holmes. Glad a fellow first-timer took it down at my place instead of some boring retread like Max, Pick or Elliott!! (I think he's finally off my couch now.)

You definitely deserved a W after paying your dues with a couple bad beats at a few final tables......

Hope everyone enjoyed Shock Town. I'm sure we'll have it back here sometime soon.
-G-

[Jun]

Thanks for hosting G. You and Powers were fine hosts.

[The Most]

Couple Things....

Slim, I think you just gave Marco his nickname: 'Endgame'

Marco, I thank God, Allah and Garfield you won. You know I was pulling for you from the get-go. I'm sure you played well- Justin just gets a little ornery from time to time.

Shock G- WHat a great place for poker! Some people need a chip and a chair- all I need, apparently, is a keg and a couch, and a nice big green shrubbery to throw my phone at. Woke up Most hungover and promptly went to MacDo, then home. Arigato Shigaimasu

Suze. Keep Chad around. He's good at consoling the people whose lives you ruin.

Can anyone even fathom the idea of Susan playing poker in Texas in the mid to late 19th century? Entire towns would be sacked and massacred all owing to a simple little Queen three off. Aho!

[Pick]

I nominate to the Court, "CryBaby Bear"

[The Dr.]

while i applaud the wittiness of The Most witty comment, i think i have to challenge the spelling of "Aho." while it sounded good last night, on paper, i don't think it works. can i get a ruling? and no, i have no suggestions, i'm just flaming.

[Slim]

I would like to see it comic book form before I make a final ruling, but I agree last night it sounded much better but before last night if you asked me what was better 99 or 6c7c I would've said 99.

[II-Pod]

There is an underlying factor beyond the pure numbers that Susan has tapped into that keeps escaping her adversaries: while the pot-odds of calling someone's all-in with a suited 7-6 are clearly not there (and sure, she will lose often with those type of calls), the added bonus of completely wrecking an opponent with such a call, plus having a circle of witnesses see her do it, can make it a worthwhile risk! Had she lost that hand, it would be forgotten. But since she won with it, it will hit one of you three weeks from now when faced with the decision to bet into her with 9-9. How do you calculate future mental damage into the pot-odds? Her skill at that is masterful.

[Pick]

Cograts on your first, Marco. I knew you were going to be hot for more than an hour. I could feel it. That is why I tried to move over.

[The Dr.]

has chad read Tiltboys or has he figured out ITO on his own? i love it.

99 vs 76c. ITO, baby!!!

ITO = Implied Tilt Odds.

What beats what? A flush? Or a set?

[First Lady]

Dr DILIH - you don't have to tell us you are flaming. We've all seen your Profile photo

[Slim]

speaking of sucking out...

[Slim]

Chad, I love the Implied Tilt Odds analysis of Susan's play. This seriously needs it's own column.

I guess my question to the whole odds don't matter argument is this... Why not play every hand for all of your chips if the odds or other people's hands don't matter? In fact why even look at the cards at all? Your ITO will be the same, if not greater if you were to play this way so why would you ever fold?

I know the answer to this will be "I felt it" but for me that excuse is just too results oriented to be a valid reason. Like you said when she loses those hands we forget about it (not all of us) but I've never heard anyone say "I felt it" when they failed to suck out. (I believe this is where the C-Mint will chime in with a confirmation bias anaylsis.)

None of this is to say that she is a bad player or that there is any one correct way to play, a look in the vault will prove that any style of play can win. I think the point is this... When you're on the other end, or even just a witness, to one of Susan's, or Jun's, or Will Call's, amazing runs of luck you can't do anything but sit back, laugh and be completely and utterly dumbfoundly amazed.

This "luck" factor is the reason that most everyone on the Tour has trouble comprehending this style of play. Most poker players are trying to get that luck factor as close to zero as possible. Thus, that is why you raise preflop or reraise when you think someone is on the draw. It is why pocket Aces always looks so good and why everyone loves to hit that nut flush. It is why we start with 100x the big blind and it is why we keep the blinds moving as slowly as possible. And it is why in the long run variance will catch up and it will all even out.

If I were to show you both hands and then asked you to pick the one you would want to win a $1,000,000 would you pick the 99 (80%) or the 6c7c (20%)? Even though the 67 is soooooted I'm sure you'd go with the 99. But I'm willing to bet Susan, Jun, and Will Call would all take the 6c7c because they just "know" they will win.

That's the beautiful thing about this fucked up game. It's the reason why we all come back week after week, it's the reason we go on tilt when we get outdrawn, it's the reason we feel so relieved when a hand actually holds up, and it's the reason it feels so damn good when you finally hit your one outer 5 of hearts on the river to rip the heart out of your opponent.

You know we all love High Noon and that 4th Street wouldn't be the same without her destroying every possible odd ever calculated by man.

[The Most]

blah blah blah

[Slim]

Can anyone imagine the Most playing poker in the wild west? How long before a gun fight breaks out? Meeting at High Noon...

[Von Sandman]

What a lovely discussion. I myself had to go to the Card Player odds calculator to get the actual numbers on 76s vs. 99 when I heard the story.

The first time I played against Susan on 4SPT, I raised from late position with a hand like AQ, not a small amount either, and she called from the blind. It was fairly deep on with plenty in the pot, and with a flop like 975 and junk cards on the turn and river, she kept checking, I kept pushing and she kept calling, ultimately showing down K5o to take most of my chips. I said something not very nice about her play and I think it took several weeks for both of us to realize how much we geniunely liked each other (see my profile for evidence...)

To this day, Suze makes some plays that my number-crunching would find inexcusable, and calling off 3/4 of her stack as a 4-1 dog certainly might count. But it's worth noting she is 42% vs. AKo and she is calling down His Mostness here and not The Cooler or Jamie.

Never underestimate how much it is worth to be the kind of player who others find it uncomfortable to play a hand against. I have a much easier time putting almost all of you on a hand than I do Suze, and it's no coincidence that she has collected on some of my most expensive errors. Against most of you I am looking to attack, and against Suze I am often looking to not screw up. Her willingness to play all kinds of hands against the book is as much of a reason why as is her ability to get maximum value when she does nail a strange-looking flop.

Could she get better results out of playing with more discipline and selectivity, making a few more laydowns? Almost certainly, but then again it would also make her more predictable and less dangerous. And all of us as poker players struggle with balancing risk and reward in our approach to the game.

After what I learned last year, I can tell you no one will get very deep at the WSOP playing only Group I hands, even against raises, and I have no intention of trying.

Finally, on a friendly side note, I miss you guys a bunch and I am so looking forward to kicking all your asses numb next week.

[The Cooler]

I laid down pocket aces to suze last week on the river. I raised from the button(i believe), she called. flop came J high, she bet out, I raised the minimum, she called. Turn came and she checked. I also check, trying to induce a bet on the river. The river brought a 4 card straight, she bet out $500 into a $1100 pot, I thought forever and folded. That is the first time I have folded pocket Aces ever, eventhough I am sure she had atleast 2 pair, or better, it was a learning experience. Then a few hands later I see her call down THE MOST with K4 with no pair, no draw, nothing, which made me re-evaluate folding my AA to her on the river, but I am pretty sure I made the right move, especially if not sure I am winning.

You never know if she has a monster of something like Q3o, thats what makes it so tough to play against her.

and i feel it is a privilege to be mentioned in a post by mr. sandman!